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New mining mechanic and how bot will adopt
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#58799
New mining mechanic and how bot will adopt 5 мес., 2 нед. назад Репутация: 779
CCP has claimed that they doubled ore content in asteroids. I have checked a few asteroids today and found that all asteroid increased in sizes, but relation between size and content of asteroids remained the same (formula is empiric and valid for standard belt asteroids):

Код:

Vol (m^3) = 24979.6 * Math.Log(Size (m)) - 129540


That means bot will continue to predict final time when asteroids should pop w/o survey scanner and will properly switch off lasers in advance 1)if you dont use crystals at all or 2) if you use Type A T1 crystals as they have no waste. The better crystals you use the more waste you will have. Wastes do not apply all the time, they have probability like 30 or more percents. Sometimes ore evaporate, sometimes do not. I cannot just add waste factor to the formula and calculate new final time when to switch off lasers. You should compare different crystal types for profit (T1 Type A, T2 Type A or T2 Type B ) and select what is better for you and report your results.

Bot can mine several asteroid types with the same crystal, that is really good news.
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#58818
Re: New mining mechanic and how bot will adopt 5 мес., 2 нед. назад Репутация: 0
Does the bot properly implement the new kind of crystals?

For instance, if the *only* type of crystal I have in my item hold is the Simple Asteroid Mining Crystal Type A II crystal, and I check "scordite" and "veldspar" and "plagioclase" in the "Asteroids to Mine" settings, will the bot refit the crystals as they run out? Or is it still going to disable the whole function because I have multiple asteroids selected? Or is it going to be confused and try to search for "Scordite Mining Crystal" in my item hold?

I am perfectly happy just turning off the "use/refit crystals" setting for now, I just figured I'd ask if this is working yet

(no rush, take as much time as you want)

edit: I just tested this and it works fine. My setup is: I'm mining in a hisec system with scordite, veldspar, and plagioclase. I selected those 3 asteroids in the "asteroids to mine" setting. I selected "Use/refit crystals".

The bot searched for "Mining Crystal" and selected the top-left-most crystal to fit. Basically, as long as you have only 1 type of crystal in your item hold, it will work fine. I think this is exactly the right approach. Thank you so much Slav2

Edit2: Just make sure that if you were using Tier 2 crystals before that you turn OFF 'Use/refit crystals' until you've gotten up to Simple Ore Processing IV, as you can't use your newly converted crystals until you get the new skill up to level 4. As long as you babysit your bots until they actually start mining, you should be fine. I had an issue where my bots already had the new crystals equipped, so I walked away and assumed everything would work, only to come back 5 minutes later and find them in the actual asteroid belt seeing the message "You lack the skills to use that module" repeatedly
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#58823
Re: New mining mechanic and how bot will adopt 5 мес., 2 нед. назад Репутация: 779
IMHO better to turn off using crystals as you will save time on constant crystals check every visit to station. But bot search for "mining crystal" and first found item (hello bpo) is used to load to laser.
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#58865
Re: New mining mechanic and how bot will adopt 5 мес., 1 нед. назад Репутация: 0
i've been having a weird issue ever since the new mining updates where the bot seems to ignore the "Min-Max Cargo (%)" setting

here's a recent example, my bot warped back and docked at 34011 m3 out of 43312 m3, which by my calculations is 79% full

but I have the Min-Max Cargo (%) setting set to 95-100

as seen in this screenshot i.imgur.com/pMq9TeR.png

am I doing something wrong? I posted in this thread since it seems like a new problem caused by the new changes, if I don't hear anything I'll make a new thread

edit: nevermind, looking over the logs I see I'm warping back because of timeout. the problem is caused by the new changes, but it's not actually anything to do with the bot, it's the new asteroid belt arrangement drastically increasing the amount of time spent maneuvering. The problem is, once we clear away all the asteroids within 15km of the bookmark, it pretty much instantly thinks all the belts are unprofitable using the default timeout settings. This is especially worse with the huge ore hold buffs the exhumers got! It now takes longer than 30 minutes to fill them up even if everything is going great

i'd recommend changing the default timeout higher than 1800 seconds, I set mine to 2400 seconds and this works great for my fully fitted mackinaws
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#58872
Re: New mining mechanic and how bot will adopt 5 мес., 1 нед. назад Репутация: 779
Did you try 300km bookmarks? Bot will rewarp to random asteroid and you my save time on maneuvering
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#58884
Re: New mining mechanic and how bot will adopt 5 мес., 1 нед. назад Репутация: 1
is it possible to auto create them ? And how we can do for anomaly ?
thanks
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