Before reading the rest of this let me point out that this feature request is more than just a 'oh that would be nice someday' and more of where we should be headed with maximizing profit + safety with eve pilot.

Mining in a wormhole is arguably the safest method of mining in eve outside of being in a heavily defended null sec area. I have lived in a wormhole before with my main's corp and as long as you keep an eye on your directional scanner, life is a breeze.

If we could get directional scanner support with eve pilot, while mining bot would click the d-scan button say once every 5-10 seconds. While using overview settings for ships to avoid (a feature already in EP), if anything appears on the dscan, bot warps to pos for a configurable length of time until dscan is clear again. I guarantee I would set up a pos in a wh if this feature was available! Look at all the benefits (for everyone involved):

1. My botting activities would go un-noticed by other players, making chance of being reported as a bot infinitesimally small. (Which is imho the #1 way ccp tracks down bots)


2. This is the exact same principle real money trader bot farms have been getting away with for years in null sec. This would be a way for the little guy to apply the same logic.


3. Even after fuel costs my profits would be at least 50% greater due to better ore.


4. I could run PI in WH for even greater profits.


5. I could run belthunter in WH for even greater profits.


6. I can refine ore and/or compress in pos.


7. Hauling wouldn't be a big deal, you usually get a high exit at least once a week.


8. The bot would be engaged in a larger variance of activities, therefore making it closer in appearance to a 'normal player'.


9. This would be a massive feature and i'm sure you will get much higher sales!


10. I don't think this would be that much of a headache to add to the program.

The only questions are-

Could a hulk with t2 drones take on wh belt rats? Or would you just make a stronger tank? Or would you need a tanking alt to patrol belts (which would generate income as well)?

Are grav sites the only place to mine from in wh? If so is there enough ore in these sites to make this worth it? Do the grav sites change daily?

5.I could run belthunter in WH for even greater profits.

-- No you couldn't, there are no belts in WHs. Rocks are found in gravimetric signatures which have to be scanned with probes.

6.I can refine ore and/or compress in pos.

-- Yes, you could refine ore at a POS but would not have great efficiency. A POS can not compress ore, that would require a Rorqual.

Could a hulk with t2 drones take on wh belt rats? Or would you just make a stronger tank?
-- Your hulk will die to sleeper rats if you try to take them on. But you only have to kill the rats once, they do not respawn in the signature after you kill them.

My_Miner_Alt wrote:
5.I could run belthunter in WH for even greater profits.

-- No you couldn't, there are no belts in WHs. Rocks are found in gravimetric signatures which have to be scanned with probes.

6.I can refine ore and/or compress in pos.

-- Yes, you could refine ore at a POS but would not have great efficiency. A POS can not compress ore, that would require a Rorqual.

Could a hulk with t2 drones take on wh belt rats? Or would you just make a stronger tank?
-- Your hulk will die to sleeper rats if you try to take them on. But you only have to kill the rats once, they do not respawn in the signature after you kill them.

Thanks for the input!

Sorry, yeah I mis-worded my original post. You would have to scan a few grav sites down and bookmark them just like an asteroid belt in k-space. As far as belt hunter goes, I suppose you would bookmark other sites in the WH that maybe a BC or BS equipped bot could run (perhaps salvage them too).

I researched the C2-C3 WH grav sites and general consensus is the rats are cake with 5 t2 drones.

What I was referring to is ore compression through manufacturing. i.e. manufacturing modules that have an amazing mineral to volume ratio, you can see info on this HERE and the data tables HERE.

I checked into the efficiency of pos refining and OUCH it is capped at 75% no matter what your skills are... this is the main hindrance in WH mining it seems. My math is as follows: based on ~ 52650 m3 yield per hour on Hulk:

1. 360 hours mining per month mining in WH from one bot as opposed to 240 hours/month in hi sec (greater privacy)


2. Mining Araknor ore in WH vs. Pyroxeres in hisec (~ 331 isk per m3 Araknor vs. ~ 178 isk per m3 Pyroxeres)


3. 75% refining rate in WH vs. 100% in hisec


4. POS fuel cost of 450 mill per month for large pos

WH Results: 360hrs * 52650yield * 331isk * .75refine = ~ 4.7 Billion - 450millposfuel = ~ 4.2 billion

Hisec results: 240hrs * 52650yield * 178isk * 1refine = ~ 2.25 Billion

Ofcourse, it really comes down to real life time spent per isk. This is what concerns me. When one factors:

POS fuel run / bringing goods to market from WH to Jita once every 2 weeks:


Real life time needed for WH method:

1. avg. 30min scanning in WH per day = 15 hrs / month


2. scouting and safe passage of a high sec or safe lowsec exit round trip every 2 weeks: 3hours * twice/ mo = 6 hrs/month


3. running refining arrays: 5 hours / month


4. other misc. time expenditures in pos maintenance or other: 5 hours / month


5. TOTAL: 31 hours per month real life time spent

Real life time needed for hisec method:

1. configuring hauler to consolidate ore in central location: 5 hours / month


2. misc. time expenditures + refining ore in station: 3 hours / month


3. TOTAL: 8 hours / month real life time spent

4.2B / 31 = 135 mill per rl hour in WH
2.25 / 8 = 280 mill per rl hour in Hisec


Well, it looks as if hi sec IS better for efficient isk making in game. However, this DOES seem to be a FUN way to live in a WH and with factoring in all the other things you can do to make isk in the WH might be a way to go for someone out there (I may still possibly do this, however it would require the d-scan feature that is currently lacking from eve pilot).

I am revisiting this idea since I am looking at moving into a WH for other purposes and it would be GREAT if my bot could mine in there! Hey Slav, any ideas on implementation of a simple D-Scan watcher for EP?

botforlife wrote:
I am revisiting this idea since I am looking at moving into a WH for other purposes and it would be GREAT if my bot could mine in there! Hey Slav, any ideas on implementation of a simple D-Scan watcher for EP?I like the idea. Need to add this functional.

Would the bot not already work in a WH? Set it to mine to POS, log in and manually scan down and BM the hidden belts for eve pilot to use, go and kill all the rats.

Start up bot and away you go?