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Re: My Safe Botting tips 9 Years, 8 Months ago Karma: 821
There are high sec systems where you need to travel through low secs to get to other empire systems. Nobody is mining here as not so mich players want to buy minerals here. If you have a POS with compression array and jump freighter you can transport your ore to high sec without too much problems. If you dont have jump freighter you still can safely transport your ore through high-to-high sec wormholes.
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Re:My Safe Botting tips 9 Years, 7 Months ago Karma: 821
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A Botter's Survival Guide By fastabenj

This guide was taken from the old forums by fastabenj

This guide is a consolidated list of tips, tricks, and suggestions to help keep your bot running peacefully.

First, a bit about my botting experience. I've been macro mining for over six months. I've used racial mining frigates and cruisers, retrievers and hulks. I've used discovery (and tried some of the other free macros, most didn't work), TinyMiner (and TinyMinerPlus for multiclient), and RoidRipper.

My primary miner has been running pretty much all day every day since I started. My secondary miner has did some stints with multiclient when I used TinyMinerPlus. I quit using the second miner for awhile, then began again later using multiple computers. Now, the primary miner is still running all day but the secondary only mines most of the day.

During that time, I've not been banned nor have I been successfully suicide ganked.

Reality Check

First thing you need to come to grips with is this: If you macro mine, you can get banned. In the end, ultimately, it does not matter what safeguards you take nor how long you mine. If you bot, you're opening yourself up to possible banning. There's ways to potentially minimize the risk, but you're still taking a crap shot. If you can't deal with the possible consequences then botting is not for you.

Second thing you have to understand is that CCP is not your enemy, not really. I honestly believe CCP couldn't care less about us. Each of us is a source of revenue for them. Not only that, but keeping our bot and alt accounts alive with ISK stimulates the Plex and GTC markets, which also creates more revenue for them. Finally, if CCP were to flip a magical switch that got rid of every botter, the in game market would be in shambles and the average players' enjoyment would be negatively impacted.

Check out blueprints for ships sometime, see how many minerals are needed to build things like BS's and caps. We're part of the system that keeps those prices reasonable.

Real Money Transfer (RMT) people are different, they're actually taking money out of CCP's pockets, and CCP makes a real effort to find them and remove them. But, CCP's only real motivation to stop us is to keep other players from bitching. Which brings us to the big truth:

Other players are your enemy! They're the ones who are going to petition, bitch, and moan about your bot. Like most parts of Eve, botting is a pvp activity. They are your enemy, CCP is merely one of their weapons. They have others, such as suicide ganking and bumping. The key to successful botting is not getting other players stirred up enough to take action against you.

Disguise

Best way to avoid getting treated like a bot (with ganking, petitioning, banning, ect) is not to look like a bot. Do your best to look like a real player to the other players and they're less likely to take action agaisnt you.

Name: Pick a "real" name, not a "farmer" name. Don't just hammer out random letters/numbers. If running multiple miners, don't give them the same, similar, numbered, or lettered names.

Bio: Fill out your bio. Put something there. Maybe copy/paste some mining information. Or jot down some roleplay type crap. Just have something there so it looks like you're a real character.

Corp: If you can, get out of the the NPC/Newbie corps. This is a little tricky, because you don't want your corpmates to note how you're on all the time, hardly ever talk, ect... So, think about making a corp just for you and your alts. Or, if you know some like-minded individuals who also macro, you could possibly form a corp together.

Standings/Sec Status: Most characters have at least some kind of standings, and not many have completely neutral sec status. Getting some standings, or maybe killing someone, will help making you look real. Plus, if you get standing with the station you refine at you can get more minerals out of your ore.

Name Your Ship: Doesn't matter what, just change it from So-and-so's Hullk.

Behavior

The second part to not being identified as a bot is, to the best of your ability, not act like a bot.

Timing: Personally, I run all day. But, I don't deny it's smart to limit yourself to more realistic amounts of mining, say 6-10 hours and then either stop or take a couple hours break.

Moving Around: If you don't stay in the same place too long it's less likely someone will notice what you're up to. Use the traveling function, or just relocate occassionally.

Talk: If someone evemails you respond to it. Every once in awhile, talk in local chat. Answer questions, banter, joke, whatever. Not long ago, I got a couple people attempting to suicide gank me. They made three attempts in two days.

After the third attempt, I logged back in and asked in local how often they were going to get themselves popped by concord. Got into a conversation with someone else. About half an hour later, one of the gank attempters saw I was talking in local and spoke up, we traded banter for awhile. Since then, no more gank attempts.

Just a few sentences here or there in local will help make people think of you as a real person, and they're less likely to try and gank or petition you.

Don't Talk About Macroing: Do not tell anyone you macro mine. You never know who will be moved to righteous indignation and report you. The only possible exception is someone you know, with 100% certainty, also macro mines. Even then, I still wouldn't recommend it.

Know Your Enemy

Keep tabs on the system you're in. Make note of who evemails you. Check through the backlog of your local chat, see if anyone's talking about you, or even just bitching about "all" the macros. If they're complaining, they might be doing more. They might be bitching to CCP, too. Or they might be planning to gank you. If you identify them early you can take action before they do.

Protect Yourself

Remember that the other players may not just petition you, there's nothing preventing them from taking direct action. So, fit your hulk to take a few hits. A hulk can fit a pretty decent tank, and if you do so it lessens the chance that you'll be successfully ganked.

Also if someone is just out to pop a hulk, and not after you personally, if you have a decent tank and the hulk next to you doesn't there's a good chance you'll be safe. Gankers want easy kills, they don't want to try and fail. So often they'll pick weak targets to make sure they win.

The Best Defense...

If there's someone sending you threatening evemails, or bitching about you in local, or talking about getting rid of the botters, there's no reason to just sit and wait for it to happen. You're quite capable of taking the fight to them.

If they send you too many, or too threatening, messages you could theoretically report them for harrassment, and maybe they're the ones who get a ban. There's other possible tools at your disposal, too.

You can gank them, get a few friends in cheap t1 ships and pop their hulk. Or get your main's pvp corp to war dec their corp.

Mercs: If you're botting, chances are you've got ISK. Merc corps can be hired to assassinate, or even grief specific players. Also, you can hire mercs to simply war dec the corp of the people giving you grief. Mercs can be found advertising themselves in the Crime & Punishment section of the official forums.

From what I've seen, the price for a basic war dec seems to be around 400-600 million ISK. Other services would have their own fees. That sounds like a lot, I know, but ask yourself this: How long does it take your bot to make that amount? Chances are, not very long, almost certainly less than the week the war dec will last. Then figure what the war will cost your target in terms of lost ships, lost implants, and lost revenue from not being able to easily mine/rat/mission/whatever during that week.

The End

There's my many and varied bits of advice. I hope it helps you. If you have any suggestions of your own feel free to add them here. Good luck, and happy botting.



I must tell this guide whas made when people were able to bot 23/7. Filter info.
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#33819
Re:My Safe Botting tips 9 Years, 7 Months ago Karma: 821
To hide your IP using TOR and proxifier you can download all required files from here. Read_me.txt inside the archive will help you to setup tor properly.

Warning 1: If you fail to setup tor, you may be banned for account sharing!
Warning 2: If you will accidentally use the same IP as another bot user you will have linked bots. Dont try to setup exit node in some common countries like DE or US to reduce the chance to use the same IP as somebody else.
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Re:My Safe Botting tips 9 Years, 3 Months ago Karma: 0
Slav2 wrote:
To hide your IP using TOR and proxifier you can download all required files from here. Read_me.txt inside the archive will help you to setup tor properly.

Warning 1: If you fail to setup tor, you may be banned for account sharing!
Warning 2: If you will accidentally use the same IP as another bot user you will have linked bots. Dont try to setup exit node in some common countries like DE or US to reduce the chance to use the same IP as somebody else.


I followed your instructions for installing and setting up TOR/Proxifier but I'm still coming up with the same IP address as my host. Vidaia connects to the TOR network but while setting up proxifier, specifically the "proxification rules", I get a message that says:

"None of your enabled Proxification Rules have a proxy as Action. It means that Proxifier will not use proxy server(s) to process connections. Is this the intent?"

If I change the action from "direct" to "Proxy SOCKS5 127.0.0.1" then I fail to connect to TOR (though things start happening in proxifier)

any suggestions?
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#36005
Re:My Safe Botting tips 9 Years ago Karma: 1
CCp can truck my ip if use api key in THIRD PARTY APPLICATIONS?? i wants prevent mass ban i use different ip for each bot but i check bots on android api kay application.
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CCp can truck my ip if use api key in THIRD PARTY APPLICATIONS??
No, afaik
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